Keepin It Rio Podcast
Keepin’ It Rio Podcast
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Keepin’ It Rio brings real conversations with real people — from roofing pros and entrepreneurs to creators and community leaders. Hosted by Chuck Allen, each episode dives into stories of business, mindset, and life with humor, honesty, and a whole lot of Rio energy.
Whether you’re growing a business, chasing goals, or just love a good conversation, this show will keep you inspired and entertained.
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Keepin It Rio Podcast: Jarmar Green
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Tonight’s guest is an Indianapolis-born musician, creator and modern-day philosopher who believes music should do more than entertain—it should move people.
Reginal Jarmar Green brings together real-life experiences, meaningful ideas and high-energy beats to create music that inspires reflection, action and positivity. From projects like "Reggie" and "Blkplatinum' to his latest EP, "Backends", Jarmar has continued building a sound and message that are uniquely his own.
He’s known for bringing energy into every room—and tonight, he’s bringing it to Keepin’ It Rio.
Please welcome Jarmar Green!
The little red light says, ladies and gentlemen, we're live. It is another amazing episode of your favorite podcast, and y'all know that it's keeping it real because I've been telling you that every week for the last five years. And if you're still here, you must disagree with me. So thank y'all for that. This is gonna be another really fun one. I just met our guest about three minutes ago. We've already got good energy, and I think it's gonna be a great conversation. So, without any hesitation at all, ladies and gentlemen, allow me the honor of welcoming our guest, Jamar Green, to the show. Jamar, welcome to keeping it real, buddy. How are you doing today?
SPEAKER_01Yes, yes. Thank you so much, Chuck, for the platform and keeping it real. This is a beautiful day. The sun is glaring in my face, it's hot outside. I can't complain. And it's the only thing I can complain about is Monday. But I no longer because I'm here on the show, man.
SPEAKER_03I gotta say, if Monday's the worst problem we have, we got that problem every single week, so it can't really be that terrible. No, I actually love Mondays, it's my favorite day of the week. Oh, yeah. That's just because I'm crazy.
SPEAKER_01So I tend to like make sure all my meetings are on Tuesday through the rest of the week.
SPEAKER_03I do that. I don't I don't schedule any roof builds for Mondays because I know anything that can go wrong on a Monday is gonna go wrong on a Monday. And therefore, I don't take any of those variables, I don't let them come into play. We start our roof jobs where I get them delivered on Monday and they're there for Tuesday morning because I've done that mistake multiple times.
SPEAKER_01So and it's so much easier to do and deal with when people are also busy. Mondays are a low-key day, and if someone's pissed off at you on Monday, they're gonna carry that on for weeks.
SPEAKER_03It goes for days, and I've been there, trust me. I get people pissed off on Mondays at me all the time. It's one of my expert uh skills that I possess. But enough about me. You just mentioned it's hot. Tell me a little bit about where you're at right now.
SPEAKER_01Yes, Indianapolis, Indiana. We call it Nap Town. Uh, if you go, if you go online and get into all the brain rot, you're gonna hear the I a lot, but I don't call it that. I call it Nap Town, Indianapolis, Indiana, crossroads of America. I don't know. You know what?
SPEAKER_03I love Indianapolis, and I'll tell you a quick story, real quick.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, please.
SPEAKER_03Back in January of 2019, before myself and a couple buddies bought this roofing company here in San Antonio, it was out of business and I'd never been here before. I actually lived in Indy for about two months from January to March of 2019. It was not a very favorable time for roofing there, it was super cold, and I remembered why I left Ohio 10 years earlier, and I got the heck out of there. But I I respect Indy, I know a lot of cool people there. If you ever need a roof, I got like 20 connections for you in Indianapolis. So and you guys are the uh we're the most the two most recent national champions. So yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01And yeah, I mean, two months into Indianapolis, you're you're damn near a Hoosier at that point.
SPEAKER_03No, don't say that. I I can't have that publicly stated because I am a buckeye, but one of my co-hosts on the other podcasts I do is actually an IU grad as well. So we got nothing but love. I tell people, I have never been mad at Indiana when they won the national title. It was like, whoa, bro, that's that's actually pretty cool because they've sucked forever. Yeah, and I've seen the people that were loyal to Indiana, you know, like that was the worst Buckeye game of the year to watch every year because it's just like, bro, nobody's even cheering. Like, they just know you're going to watch your team get beat up. And when they beat the Ohio State Buckeyes in the Big Ten Championship game, I'm not even gonna lie, I wasn't upset. Now, if it happens again, I'm gonna be pissed, but we'll cross that bridge when we get both lead read. That's right. Yeah, neither one of us are Texas, so that's cool. But anyway, enough about the pleasantries of Indy. We love it there. I'm a Midwest guy. Yes, I have nothing but love for auto racing and football, and that's what we've got there. So let's talk a little bit about while you're on the program, my friend. I had a gentleman named Dom who reached out to me, I guess probably about three months ago, and he said, I've got some talented people that I'd like to put on some good podcasts. And I was very um, I felt very complimented that he reached out to me and thought mine was good. So, of course, I'm all about that. He finds all the goals.
SPEAKER_01So if you end up on his list, you know you're doing something right. Hey, it's true.
SPEAKER_03I now know that I'm doing something right, folks. So that's cool. It took me five years, but there's the confirmation. So he's got a lot of people on that have got a lot of diverse backgrounds, doing a lot of cool things. You obviously are falling right into that category as well. So tell us a little bit about yourself, my friend, and then we're just gonna run with it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so um, born and raised in Indianapolis, Indiana. I'm a musician, I'm a salesperson by heart, my nine to fives is in sales, but outside of that, I'm a holistic thinker, I eat holistically, I do things holistically, I live holistically, and I preach it in my music. Um, one big thing I carry around in my preaching is control what you can control so all the uncomfortable moments can be controllable and comfortable, more comfortable than what they are. And I mean, I I live by that, man. Through my music, through my teachings, like uh I go through a lot of different ways in storytelling when I get you know music sent to me and things upon that nature when I get in the lab and start creating, so it's all about the storytelling, and it just meets right there where I'm thinking in my holistic background and my holistic future, too. Like, because I'm always forever learning into it, but I'm trying to pair those two together, and I think I'm the only person doing that for real.
SPEAKER_03It's good to be the only guy doing stuff, I'll tell you that much. Like, I I've spent a lot of time trying to find a way to be in that that lane where nobody else is driving, and there's no traffic, it's pretty cool. You can go real fast too. So, sir, I I love that, and I always you you just caught me with something. I'm gonna get sidetracked because I got ADD like crazy. But please do your sales guy, all right. So, let's talk a little bit about this. What do you do for sales?
SPEAKER_01So, I do software as a service, so anything software, anything tech that can solve the issue, whether it's consolidating equipment or giving back time to really focus on revenue generating tasks instead of doing a lot of manual stuff, there's a software for that, there's a piece of there's a platform for that, right? Currently, what I'm getting into is different customer experience stuff. Like I'm coming from pricing, and it's it's just a big, big industry when it comes to software as a service because there is a piece of software for everything. So getting into like enterprise networks and enterprise teams and understanding who having the most trouble with consolidating tech and understanding where they're at on their journey is really where I come in and meet and see if we align and then I pitch whatever platform will make sense to consolidate, so it's more a consulting role than a sales role, but definitely I think the best salesmen are always consultants, and that's how I teach sales with my roofing guys.
SPEAKER_03I do training for roofing companies around the country, and I get to go work with a lot of young people and teach about psychology and teach about different buying motives and things like that. And it's always interesting to me when I hear from people later on in this episode, you'll see that you and I do have something else in common. Oh, yeah, I got a pretty cool software program here for a sponsor, so we'll touch base on that at the end of the show.
SPEAKER_01But you can be connected with them, and I love I love stretching my technology and my my software as a service skills and really understand the building of what it takes to get in front of customers. So I love that too.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, absolutely. I got the best sponsor in the world, so we're not here to talk about my sponsors, as I can do that for the next two hours, and everybody that's watched the show knows that that ain't a lie. I'll do it for two hours. Let's talk a little bit about the music, my friend. I love your approach to life, I love the fact that you're you know, you've got a day job, so this is kind of a cool. I don't I don't like to say hobby because I feel like it disrespects creativity when you say that. I hate when people call my podcast a hobby because I worked my ass off for this, and I'm sure you do the same. So let's talk a little bit about the music. And I always like to kind of reverse engineer everything. Let's start back at the very I got a time machine here. Let's go back in the day and and what was the the main thing, your earliest memory as a kid, something musical that struck you that kind of said, Oh, and has kind of you know led music to be a major part of your life from that point forward. What was your first musical memory? I guess is the way I'd like to word that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, my first musical memory was definitely getting into a band, like from middle school into high school, they did those tests where you go into a room, and if you wanted to do a band and you choose a couple of instruments you think you'd be interested in, and you do do this test, like a rhythmic test. And uh, I wanted to play drums so bad because I love you know just like the fact that you have this whole set kit in front of you, yeah.
SPEAKER_03You get to hit stuff.
SPEAKER_01But like I didn't pass the rhythmic, the rhythm and the rhythm test that was presented in front of me. So I went into something worse, which was the clarinet. But come to find out, it really spoke to me differently by doing that because I understood notes a little differently than if I were to go into the drums, right? Where those those notes are the same, but you can't go up and down a scale in a in a drum scale.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, there's no F sharp on it I'm aware of. I never played drums, but I will say this, okay, since we're since we're talking about our musical prowess, back in the day. Okay, now I'm gonna admit something here publicly. The statute of limitations has expired on this. So when I was in I guess it was like sixth grade, they had the orchestra and the band. Okay, I'm gonna be the first one to admit I was in the orchestra for five years. I played the violin. Let's go okay, and again, the violin is not as cool as an electric guitar, I get it, but I played the violin for five years, and I'll tell you this the secret of my musical success, Jamar. Myself and one buddy, you know how they line you up based on your ability. It's the ultimate disrespect if you're a kid, and I didn't realize it at the time. When they put you in the class of chairs, the real crappy guys are in the very back, right? And like the good ones are up front. I understand now, years after the fact, I wasn't sitting in the back because I was the best player or the best looking guy or whatever. Myself and my buddy for our five years, we were like, one would be the worst, and then this guy'd be the second worst. And we were so happy when someone worse than us showed up in the orchestra, so we were like second and third worst, but it was fun nonetheless, and I have an appreciation for music because of that as well, and just a goofy story I wanted to share.
SPEAKER_01So you you build up some pretty cool relationships in the in those in the band rooms, and I only spent about three years doing that clarinet. Uh, but yeah, I did practice my ass off because some of those songs were fucking hard. But once, like you said, because I practiced, they definitely had me. There was like a old it was like a half circle. Um, when you presented, I was always at the end facing towards the crowd. So I I I knew I had some type of musical talent, uh uh, but I didn't like you know using the read or prepping the read, getting the read wet, and then having to do the warm-ups and I know it's like, come on, there's too much stuff.
SPEAKER_03Like, I didn't even know you had to take the stuff and put it on the bow of the violin. Exactly. That was annoying because then you get all that crap all over your shirt, and it's you might as well build something, right? Yeah, I was just trying to I was just trying to get out of a regular class to be honest. Exactly, exactly. That was my revelation, folks. I was just trying to get out of a regular class. I didn't like math, so I thought violin was gonna be easier and cooler, and it wasn't easier, but it was definitely cooler.
SPEAKER_01I definitely wanted to get out of like an academic class to play some bands, but it ended up being harder, like because really having to maintain clarinet and then understand all the notes.
SPEAKER_03I mean, that shit is like really a lot, but it's extremely painful to try to learn, and then this the crappy part is if you quit, like you forget it a week later. I don't even understand how that's possible, but I did five years of lessons, and like a week after I quit doing it, nothing. I couldn't even pick the damn thing up again. But like a language you'll never use, but that's it, we were there, and that's all that really matters. And for you, that sparks your appreciation for music, and that's what the original topic was your appreciation for music. So, as you get that appreciation, it starts to develop as you grow. And I know that there were probably a lot of different um influences that you had along the way. We all do. I go to the gym in the morning, and my playlist is like it's crazy, and it's like, dang, dude, I don't even know how I know all these songs or where I learned all this, or like if I die, I definitely am glad that Apple makes it so like you can't just open someone's phone and look at their music. People be judging me maybe a little bit, but that's okay. So let's talk a little bit about the impact of the music on you as you were growing up. And I always I love, you know, you already kind of said you you want to write songs that are relative to what you've experienced, to who you are as a person, to the things that you've seen and done, and the things that you're gonna do. So let's talk a little bit about some of those influences growing up in indie. Who are you uh, you know, big fan of? Who has inspired you along your journey and maybe even helped you kind of start that journey in some way?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um, so I want to start off with saying my influences start off with my friends, like the immediate circle, right? Some of my friends were doing music, some of my friends were doing like my my first intro to like music was the band situation, like getting into clarinet. But like my real uh intro to music and creating music was actually playing guitar. I picked up my guitar, I picked up a uh or my grandmother bought me my first guitar. It was a silver tongue guitar that was bought at the mall, right? And I self-taught on YouTube and going up and down the fretboard, and I started creating some metal music, getting getting into like progressive metal. My buddy took me to a first ever concert. It was called Suicide Silence, was the headliner, and I got to see like Suicide Silence and the Contortionists and uh every uh uh uh all lay uh all lay dying. I think is what's the name of the band, but there was just so many different like progressive or death metal and heavy metal bands that were at that show, and that really exploded this whole new window and this whole new world of creativity. Not only was it like not like 4-4, uh, nothing was like 4-4, everything was like technical and different tunings and things upon that nature. So it was weird to me. So, like when I picked up the guitar, I really wanted to mimic that. I started to get into like progressive rock and then progressive metal. I skipped the whole rock, I skipped the whole jazz, I skipped everything, and um, even like hip-hop and rap was very like very minuscule. I'd rather listen to like Lincoln Park, but I wouldn't like love like old school rap, right? My mom listened to and shit like that. But it was definitely like the death metal, like stuff that really turned the wheel in my head. Like, oh my god, this stuff is weird, but this stuff is like also multi-tune, like there's different tunings, different uh uh time signatures, and different keys and different instruments involved, like guitars, bass, drums, synthesizers, uh, organs, like all kinds of different things can be embedded into uh a death metal or a progressive metal song. So I got into like metal music like that, and I built it up a band called Every Wrong Decision, was my first band, and that swiftly changed into a different band called Realms. And I released two albums with them from 2012 to 2015, and then I really quickly converted over to hip-hop rap because it was so much easier to write music for myself and grab a producer and just work with that one producer and be able to record in my basement and just keep it moving rather than like get five people together in an intimate space where we can practice, be loud, not only go to the studio and everybody click into a metronome. That is hard. And it was just like okay. Um, I love being in a band, I love the the hype that at a show, and I love being on stage to see the crowd like move to your music, and but it was it was it was taxing and no no money in it.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I guarantee that because I know about death metal, man. There ain't no money over there in that crowd, I promise. Those guys are nuts, and I love that, but that's such a such a complete shift from one genre into the other. Before we switch make that shift, I do want to ask a little bit. Okay, couple albums out. Let's talk a little bit about that process in the you know the first phase of your your musical journey, your you know, death metal. I love that. And I don't know anybody that's ever done death metal that's been on my podcast. So this is a pretty cool, uh, pretty cool opportunity for me to learn a little bit about that process as it is, you know, putting an album together, getting it produced, getting it out there, and then doing it again. So let's talk about the first one. What was that experience like for you? How did that how did that develop? What did it look like?
SPEAKER_01Man, uh so that album in 2012 with the band uh realms was called Kosa. And I'm I'm a big fan of not making like full-length albums. I'm I'm really good on like making maybe extended plays where it's like five to six songs, maybe, but it's enough to digest, and it's enough to where if it replays again, you probably won't catch it. But full bodies of work, like 10, 12, 20 songs, it's just outside of my budget, I think. It's just like I'm not I'm not a signed artist, right? So Kosa was very much so that and that that's a very canon thing when it comes to me creating like five to six songs a project, thank you. Me, maybe even three songs a project. So Kosa was a five-song project, uh, five-person band uh in realms. And yeah, that was the first intro to us collectively writing something and and planning it all out, and then tabbing it all out on a program, and then sending it off to the other guitars and the bass player and the drummer to learn, and then us collectively going to the studio and recording, and then us performing these and selling the albums and selling the shirts, and it was it was a really big release. I've never had another release like that, and it was really cool. Um, and then the second album, Reverie, came out in 2015. That's when the band had broken up from five members down to one member, up to three members again, and then I started uh writing Reverie, and then I get uh Tyler Ball on the drums, and I get Zach on the guitar, and we just learned that stuff together and we filled in space for a bass player and a and a synthesizer and stuff like that, but nothing was as dramatic as getting from five people to one person to three people, completely different, and it it was just like a lot of stress, and I was like, why am I stressing this hard? I'm not I'm like working like a job that is not even this stressful.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. Yeah, it's not supposed to be stressful at this time, it's not, but I respect that, and I like your reasoning for transitioning from one to the other in that it's just easier. Like, I know that I can count on myself to be there, I know that I could schedule myself, it's not gonna be a pain in the ass for five people, it's not gonna be that. I do before I shut that chapter down on your career, want to ask though a little bit about going out and doing live performances because live performances are pretty awesome. I've had a pretty cool opportunity or two in my life to get on stage. I don't sing or dance, but like I get up there and talk a little bit, and there's just a different kind of feeling when you're in a packed house, you got a room full of people, and you're the one that they're paying attention to and watching. So let's talk a little bit about that. When you guys were, you know, doing your live shows. What was the scale of that tour? Were you guys, you know, local to Indy? Were you doing Indianapolis? Were you uh, you know, yeah, worldwide tours? What was going on?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, appreciate it. Um, and no, we was not worldwide, but definitely Midwest. We were everywhere in Indianapolis, we went down to Bloomington multiple times. We went up to uh uh Fort Wayne a couple of times. So we went uh furthest we've been out was probably Chicago, and then we did some things in Michigan and Ohio. Um, but nothing like too crazy, but it was all like in a U-Haul, like thriller U-Haul that's jam-packed all of our stuff in there, travel to the show, do the show, you know, 30, 40 minute set, break down, and then put it back in the U-Haul and come right back. And uh it was taxing, but no, the the feeling of that 30 minutes on stage, 30, 40 minutes on stage. I could, you know, play something perfectly and get the same energy out of the crowd as if I messed up a couple of times. Like it was really wholesome and to know that like the creations that I was doing, then learned it, but like also performed it like it was their own, really felt with the crowd. And I I never considered myself to be like, you know, easy going with my guitar work. I try to be as technical but as friendly to the listener as possible. Um, in COSA, like that was a very screamo type project. There was a lot of screaming where Reverie was a lot of singing, a lot more singing. So it was really cool to have like two types of scaling going through realms and that. Journey, but being able to perform it. Reverie, I think we only performed twice after we released that one. It kind of like died out. But nonetheless, man, those shows were great. Um, and you know, as I'm still doing shows today, like I still think look back at those uh shows in those basements, those intimate small venues and uh the residencies that we had here in India and really was just like really awesome, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I love the story about the U-Haul. I mean, it just reminds me, and this has nothing to do with anything, but you remember on Home Alone when Kevin's mom is trying to get back home because they left the kid and she's riding in the back of the U-Haul truck with John Candy and the polka polka polka. That's I know that y'all weren't playing polka in the back of the U-Haul, but that's kind of what I got a picture of right there. And to me, that's beautiful because I think those are probably the times in that journey where you're like, Man, maybe I didn't appreciate that as much in the moment as I do now after the fact. Maybe I didn't understand just how cool that was to be traveling to go perform in front of people and to have this little group with us that you know got to experience some pretty cool stuff.
SPEAKER_01So there was always people in the back, and I don't know what they were doing back there other than holding down the equipment so I didn't slide around. Yeah, whatever else was going on, we don't know, officer.
SPEAKER_03We didn't see it, so I can appreciate that. And that's the life of an artist that people don't really talk that much about is you don't just open up one day and become famous, and you're you know, getting catered to and having limos and all that. You gotta put a lot of work into this. And the part about it that really got me with what you just said is this isn't your primary thing. You've got a day job, you're you're working, you're supporting yourself. I don't know if you got family or what, but you know, you've got bills to take care of, you've got responsibilities in life as well. So I can understand how taxing that can be. And therefore, that leads into a transformation of you as an artist from one genre into another. And I want to talk a little bit about your transformation there because, like you said, they don't really compare that much. There are some comparisons, I guess, to a degree in certain things, but not really. So you're basically starting over from scratch, completely different thing, a completely new guy. Tell me a little bit about that experience. And you know, when you decided, hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go down a different, different path here, gonna change up my sound, gonna change up the way I'm doing it. What uh what was that like for you?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that transition was busy, yeah. But I always loved to keep busy. That was one thing about like going into creating music for myself. Um, was I I just was always busy, always spent time, always got involved and wanted everybody around me to be involved with it as well. Uh so like I I I kept busy with it. Like when I was in my transition, I knew I wanted to continue to do music, but didn't know how, like, really how to. It was 20 like 16, 17, somewhere around there. My first song was 2000, SoundCloud was 2016. So, 16, I met up with my buddy uh Mountain Jack and John Schlinger and my buddy Chris Burns. I um Chris Burns, and these two individuals were making, you know, just beats or they were over at John's house, and John had a lot of equipment, and I would go over there and hang out and see, look at them create. And I was really interested in how they created and how they became um interested into this. And I was like, you know what? Like that that could be an avenue. And you know, um this is 2016. This is when rap was like coming back in rotation, becoming more mainstream again, uh, instead of it being too too poppy and you know, too rock focused. And um, I think it was what like Nigos or some some a bunch of different artists just started releasing things like Drake and really uh executed um hip-hop. And and um I didn't want to get into hip-hop because like it was cool. I wanted to get into hip-hop and rap because it was easy for me to put some words on a paper and put my feelings down and really be able to highlight a time of my life over a beat or manifest my future, right? And um, us as communication energy beings, storytelling beings, what better way than do that in a song, right? And so that that was what what's really sparked my interest into wanting to create over like beats, but I didn't know I didn't have a way to get beats, and I was not about to sit up here and create beats all the time, right? I play guitar, I can I I I've done a lot of things.
SPEAKER_03That's a different game altogether, too. I didn't even think about that, right?
SPEAKER_01And getting the beats was insane because I just so happen to know people that I went to high school with, and uh Instagram has been great, and I do like video gaming on Twitch um in the mornings and some games at night, and even through there, people like come in and do exclamation mark music and get on my music. And if they mess with it, they'll if they make beats, they'll send me some beats. So internet has been really cool and uh Instagram, Twitch. Um, a lot of people from overseas have messed with my music, and they send me beats. I'm working with some uh guy named Mind Way Boy, he's he's from Romania, I think. I don't know, but he sends his beats all the time, and it's it's just like so fluid to really have some connections. Um, and it's not tapped by just like my neighbors in my for in my immediate circle. I can keep my circle small, but I have like an intergalactic, you know, way to connect with people through these platforms and really try to get like resources to be able to continue to make music. And I've been blessed to really like connect with people that really have uh a genuine like oh in my music and and have a genuine like it uh with me to be able to continue to work together because it's a two-way street because you get somebody's beat and then you do the lyrics. That's two to people in that song because the beat is is carrying a lot of the weight. Lyrics are just lyrics, right? You speak that on the mic, you might as well just talk, right? But like the beat is what's carrying the song, usually.
SPEAKER_03So, yeah, and I'd like to say I didn't even think about that completely different aspect of the deal there. So this is a lot to work with, but you've decided all right, hey, I think this is gonna be cool. A lot of opportunity here, probably better opportunity to actually you know express yourself in a way that is maybe more meaningful and and really more personal. So let's talk a little bit about that initial foray into taking an idea from a concept, getting it out into you know, a written form or however you do it, and the process that comes from that versus what you were doing, because there's really no comparison, right? There is not, especially with like death metal and like hip-hop.
SPEAKER_01I didn't know how to translate, like I knew how to like play guitar, so like, okay, that sounds cool. I need to figure out the next one second. Oh, that sounds cool, and we fuse those together. So now I have two seconds of a song, and I need a minute. So, like, that's I mean, it's but it's the same way building blocks, but with with hip-hop rap, it's like, all right, how am I starting this on? I'm listening to this beat over and over again for a few hours. Where does this take me? Where can I reflect on myself, or who do I think about first, or what do I think about first when I'm listening to this beat? Um, it opens up a lot of thinking and a lot of planning. Where when I was playing metal, like it was just all reaction to like what felt good together with different uh riffs and different scales, and using theory to build off notes and stuff like that, where uh I can say whatever the fuck, whatever the hell I want on a on a song, right? But I need to make it coherent for myself and spread a particular message. I I I feel good about releasing because regardless of if it's death metal or rap, you gotta take that to an engineer, you have to pay for it to get radio ready.
SPEAKER_03So I don't want to just like make a bunch of BS and then just like pop it together and be like, here you go, guys.
SPEAKER_01That's that's what I got. And it's like I spend time listening to that beat, I spend time resonating with that beat. It has to catch my attention, it has to move me, it has to have me reflect on different times. And I have to like really go back and whether it's like on a piece of paper or whether I'm on my phone and a notepad, or I'm just letting it loop in the background while I'm listening to it, and just I'm just speaking words and like going off the head. And if I build up a really nice intro, I build off that and start telling my story. Like I say something like really catchy at the beginning and it catches people's attention, it catches my attention, and I'm I know where my bases are, I know where to start, and I can go down a rabbit hole. And if I have to switch topics or relate to it in some type of punchline way, I can do that too. But at the same time, you know, it's like all about what I come up with initially, and then I go line for line, I built that song up, but it has to tell the story, it has to be relatively Jamar Green, that's me, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, right. I mean, that I think that's the coolest part about it is not trying to fake, not trying to be someone you're not, right? And you know, I I think that's the most crucial part about anything creative. Once you start taking all this other crap into account, it becomes too commercialized, it becomes way much more of a pain in the ass, honestly. And you don't enjoy it as much at that stage, and that's why a lot of people quit because they just maybe get a little bit too far into where it's like, well, this was a hobby, but now it sucks, so I'm done.
SPEAKER_01I don't ever want to I never want to be a person outside of the creative loop of my own songs. There's a lot of artists out there that have a lot of people write their own songs now, but I mean, and that comes with the territory, right? You talk about like I like to make the example Taylor Schiff. Taylor Schwiff hasn't wrote one of her songs in probably 10 years. You know, Kanye West probably hasn't done a lot of that either, but like these moguls are doing more things than just music at that point, right? They're like a walking billboard, they're a product, they're just they're just a uh a revenue generating machine at that point, right? I haven't even touched that yet, right? And I'm I'm barely in a product, and I'm I'm easing my way into design work and product, but I still love being so thick into the music, and I'm writing all my own stuff, and I love it. And I don't use AI to leverage any of this real authentic words that I'm putting on paper. So that's another point. You got that's why I control what I can control, right?
SPEAKER_03That's it, and I mean that is literally it. You can only control certain variables in life, and I always tell people show up late. That's one thing you can control. I will judge you a hundred percent of the time if you show up late. Because you know what? I didn't show up late, my guys didn't show up late. So the things you can control, the things that you are not willing to negotiate on, that's who you are as a person, that's your structure, and that's what tells you you know what? Even if nobody listens, even if nobody ever says anything about it, this is good because it's good for me, it's my expression to the world. And the one thing I do know, Jamar, is people do listen, and you get feedback along the way, and this is very interesting because of your background being so diverse. I always like to ask, you know, like what was the heartwarming moment where you realized you'd made it in death metal? I mean, you probably didn't have a lot of people coming up and be like, Hey man, that song really like you know made me think of my grandma or whatever, you know, or my times as a kid. It was like, Yeah, dude. But when you move into a more expressive form and you really take it upon yourself to say, this is now me, this isn't my band, this isn't us, this is gonna be me. This is who I am, my expression. And you start putting this stuff out, you start, you know, getting some feedback from people. Tell me a little bit about the first good positive feedback that you got after you made a complete transformation in your musical genre, in your entire perspective of how you do it. What was the moment where you were like, you know what? That was a pretty good idea.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, the biggest impact, I think, is definitely getting my first project out in my pop, what was it? Uh it was a beer, it was called Finesse, actually. My first ever song ever. It was called Finesse. And uh, I got pretty intense feedback from there because I took it, recorded it, and just like my friend Mix and Master, like for what was good, and it wasn't good at all. The mix and master wasn't good. The song was great, the song really was great, but I got pretty beat up about like why didn't you go take this to the studio? Like, you know how much better this release would have been if you would have been serious about it, you know. And you know, I I I've taken that to the my heart, and I really like every project. That's why I take you know a little bit more time and and a little bit more patience on my projects because I really want to make sure it's perfect from when it leaves my house to that producer. Once it gets to that producer, they have just the easiest time to EQ it, to get it ready already, and just have the utmost like perfection that I can produce for the people that are listening, right? And I I mean there's there's a lot of feedback people have have, you know, one end out the other.
SPEAKER_00Like, oh haters gonna hate, I know that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but at the same time, like each song you see the the evolution. And I I'd be damned if you go listen to my stuff that I released in 2025 and then listen to myself in 2016 that hasn't revolutionized, you know, like that's a huge jump in quality and everything. But I just keeping consistent, like also that that that is the biggest thing is keeping consistent and and letting marketing work. Like, I've obviously you know dom, I work with Dom, but uh, I need to put more marketing in my music if I want to be really seen and really heard, and that's the biggest thing I still struggle with to today. But every day we get better.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's right. If you don't, then I don't know what the point of the day was. So I think that's pretty awesome. And I love the fact that not all of the feedback that you got was like rainbows and sunshine, and some of it's like, bro, you you've got the ability, you could probably represent yourself even better. And the fact that you took that into account and said, you know what, you're right, I probably could. My buddies are cool, but you know, if I'm gonna take this to the next level, I gotta do something a little bit next level-ish. So you you took it to the next level, you got some, you know, improvements made all the way across the board. Everything has evolved into what we've got now. So let's talk a little bit about your your fan base that you've got now. People, you know, reach out to you frequently and say, hey man, that that's uh that was some magic you put out right there. I appreciate that. It spoke to me. I was sitting in line at the the carpool or whatever, and I was jamming your stuff, and my neighbor thought it was cool, you know, whatever kind of feedback you get, but it's encouraging and it keeps you kind of you know feeling good about it. And I think the best part about music is I think you're well aware of the fact at this point. Well, you know what, I do also have another job, so it's it's not gonna be like all you know, consuming in life, right? It's gonna take a lot of my life because it's my passion and I love it, but being able to separate the two, I think, is huge, and I can tell that you've got the ability to do that. So let's talk a little bit about the future, my friend. Yeah, got a couple, got a couple albums in there. You got, you know, if someone googles Jamar Green right now, they're gonna be like, Whoa, man, this guy's got like we go from death metal into hip hop, so there's a lot uh that you could cover there, a lot of different people that that could be into your stuff. So I always like to ask the question someone's watching our show today, they're like, Man, you know, I really like this guy's perspective. I kind of want to see the transformation myself. What are some of the ways that people can follow your journey? Can you know check out your music, can you know, throw a couple dollars your way, man? We want to I want someone in San Antonio to be jamming your music at a red light, I know, man. And me just turn into them and be like, you know what? Maybe that was because of keeping it real. Who knows?
SPEAKER_01It probably will be, to be honest. And I I still need to get out to Texas and spend more time, and I want to do a show there so bad. But no, I I think the best way to see the journey of Jamar Green is to follow me on Instagram. BLK Bullet X is the easiest way. You can Google Jamar Green. I'm the only one that's making music out of all the Jamar Greens that's spelled that way. J-A-R-M-A-R-Green, like the color, and then it's B L K Bullet X on Instagram. Follow me. You can follow my journey. Not only my holistic health, like can you believe I used to be over 300 pounds?
SPEAKER_03Dude, we got a lot in common. I lost 100 pounds myself, dude.
SPEAKER_01Congratulations, it's all about that diet. It really is. It really is. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03It's it's about the diet, and I get up every day at 3 a.m. and I go to the gym, and I'm at the gym from four to five fifteen six days a week. So there's a lot of hard work that goes into that behind the scenes, but congratulations to you because I know how hard it is. It's hard. I look myself in the mirror one day, or I this is what happened with me, and maybe the same thing happened to you. You're a performer. I got my very first time where I'm gonna be on stage and I'm wearing a suit, and I'm gonna be talking to a bunch of roofing professionals. We got people flying in from all over the country buying tickets, and the tickets weren't cheap, right? Like, this was gonna be a big deal, and you know how they make those little hero cards of you, and it's like Chuck is gonna be speaking at the event, you know. I looked at this picture and I'm like, who the hell's that? And my face was like this big, right? And I was like, what in the hell's going on with this guy? Like, this is this is not right, y'all are messing with me, and then I realized, no, dude, like that's what happens. I got to San Antonio, I didn't know anybody here, and I had a company that we bought that was out of business. So the first thing I learned how to do was you know, eat lunch with people and try to make connections. And I didn't learn how to make connections at the gym until later on, but I understand how that goes, and I think that that having that perspective is huge, and you know, I can't congratulate you enough for that because it's not easy.
SPEAKER_01Right back at you, Chuck. I mean, and I I'm I'm gonna say I'm in uh sales, so a lot of the deals are either on the golf course, which I'm not going to, but behind you know, on the other side of the bar, or the other side of the getting lunch or uh virtual sending gift cards for food and DoorDash and stuff like that. Like it's it's a very easy to like reward yourself with a snack or food, but you know, as I become more holistic and everything, and just like you, I was on business. Uh you know, I think I was in Vegas, and prior to getting to this conference, I was already doing things with my diet. Like I wasn't uh prior to just 2025 June is when I started to really go holistic. But prior to that, three years in the and up to that point, I wasn't eating bread, pasta, or rice. So I totally cut that out. But I was still in June and my conference uh in 2025, June, I was looking at myself in the mirror and just couldn't believe how big I was still like 280. But I wasn't eating bread, pasta, or rice. I couldn't understand why. I couldn't understand why. So I really did some nerd like nutrition research and understood like what was being cooked and what was I what I was consuming and how it was being cooked. And I just set some four simple rules for myself and I shredded the weight, man. Like remember, like uh, was it August last year? I I was like my 60-pound month. Like I I killed it. Like I just I from that moment on, I'm I'm sub 195 now, so like like I can't even like explain like the it's crazy, right?
SPEAKER_03And you don't realize it, but I look at my Facebook stuff and I go back to memories every day. I just am like, what happened on this day 16 years ago? You know, what was I mad about or what was I happy about? And I look back and it's like seven years ago, you know, eight years ago I was a little bit thicker, you know. Seven years ago, I'm a full-blown fat ass. And then it's like, all right, you got to do something. And we actually made a video where we went to my office and there were pictures on the wall of all the managers, and I had the picture, it was fat Chuck, and I was like, I'm gonna kill Fat Chuck today, and it was me, I'll slim down. I went up there and we smashed it on the ground. And goodbye, fat Chuck, you're done, you're gone forever. But I get that, and and I think it does a lot for your confidence as well. I think it helps creativity, it helps everything in life. And I know you didn't come on here to talk about physical fitness and all that, but hey, that's part of my holistic.
SPEAKER_01I mean, that's super part of my day-to-day. I don't rap about it. Like, I really do speak to like better choices. Like one of my lines in some of my new songs is it's like um flabbergasted on how I'm over being being overcharged for berries, apples, and bananas. Like like I that's like that's real life. Like we there's I'm sick of it.
SPEAKER_03That's a song I can stand behind 100%. I know.
SPEAKER_01Like, there's a lot of like like they poison us from within. With things we don't understand, like as far as like ingredients. I can't even read that. Why? Like one of my other songs, like, uh uh, what do you mean that label on the back got 13 ingredients? Are you making the bomb? Like, why are we eating so much of things that have way more letters in the ingredients? Like, to me, like, and that's one of my four rules, right? Like, I can't eat anything that has more than five ingredients.
SPEAKER_03I'm like, like, I respect that. Yeah, that and that's I'm not at that level yet, but I'm working on it. You don't have to I am working on it, you know. I think what do you have for steak? Yeah, I'm good. Steak, eggs. Yep, farmers market every weekend. I like Chipotle too. I'm not gonna lie. Oh yeah, that might be my thing, but that's our that's that's our secret, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And that's okay. And then Chipotle is better than you know, like better than McDonald's.
SPEAKER_03God, hey man, I feel outside and eating uh you know, something off the ground is better than McDonald's at this point, but that's another another lyric in my music is like um, how does McDonald's sell all those burgers in a day?
SPEAKER_01I really do say that. Like these are lyrics that I'm actively saying, and it might get me in trouble. Like longevity.
SPEAKER_03I'll say this about McDonald's, though. Those guys are in a lot of rap lyrics. Um, oh yeah, one of my other guys that was on here a couple weeks ago, he had actually an album that was called McDonald's Money or something like that. And it was like, you know, you knew you made it when the family was able to take you to McDonald's, you had McDonald's money.
SPEAKER_01And now I don't look at it that way, but I respect that's the way, that's the way. No, I mean to me, if we went to McDonald's, it's because we needed a budget meal.
SPEAKER_03Like, I'm gonna say, yeah, if I'm in McDonald's, I've done something bad, right?
SPEAKER_00Mom and dad are not trying to, they're not trying to take care of me at that point. Those fucking burgers were two dollars, you know.
SPEAKER_01And I back in the day, like supersize me type stuff. I was eating like three or four of those acidic.
SPEAKER_03Oh man, this is completely unrelated, but there's this guy, and I think he's in Chicago, and this dude, I even know his name. I did a story making fun of him like five years ago. His name is Donald Gorski, and look this dude up, he has eaten like two Big Macs a day, or like one Big Mac a day for like 70 years, and I'm joking about this because I'm like, how's this dude not dead for one? But then you start looking at him, and it's like, bro, his hair is like it doesn't even look like hair. He's got like the most amazing mullet of all time, he's got like a weird hairstyle, he's a security guard, and we started thinking about this. And I was like, if you eat Big Macs every day for like 70 years, your insides are pickled, dude. That guy's gonna live to be 500 years old, and it's gonna end up being proven McDonald's was ultimately the answer to long life, and that's gonna be the only guy that's gonna be able to tell us about it. So, yeah, okay, we didn't hear that here because I don't recommend it, and it's it's terrible, but no, all my links are purple because 75,000 hamburgers, and yeah, his kids were completely ashamed of him.
SPEAKER_01And uh if that was what dad was most well known for, I can understand being a little embarrassed, but definitely a person to be Googling, but nonetheless, I will say all my links are purple, which means I've clicked on them before. I definitely haven't seen this guy before.
SPEAKER_03You're familiar with Donald Gorsky, and once you see him, you can't forget him because once that image comes back, you'll be like, Oh, that dude. But you're right, he looks like one of a kind guy for sure. Like he's not getting mistaken in a lot.
SPEAKER_01It's crazy how like you may be onto something when you think about the preservatives that go into making a uh a Big Mac and from the bread, the lettuce, all you can set that thing on a table for like 10 years and come back and eat it. In my chiropractor uh office, there is a McMuffin that has been there since 2012.
SPEAKER_03And I bet if you put it in the microwave and heated it up, you wouldn't even know the difference. That's the saddest part about that whole deal.
SPEAKER_01But man, there you go. I will say, like, just protect protect your insides. Us as humans, we're only supposed to be eating a few things, us as humans.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and it's not like in mass quantities either. That's always been my thing. I grew up in an obese family, and I was very hyper aware of what could happen if you weigh 500 pounds. You but we live in the Midwest, we have tinderloins. That's all we do is eat and watch football. I mean, come on, like live in Ohio. What else do you want from me?
SPEAKER_01We have like five loggers that are named after Indiana. So, like, come on.
SPEAKER_03That's what we're known for. We're proud of that. But in moderation, folks, that's the lesson of today's podcast episode. Don't get fat because it's terrible.
SPEAKER_01Something you can control is what you put in your mouth. It's not your brain controlling your stomach, it's your stomach telling your body how to react to what your brain is doing. Everything, everything starts from within the gut, the gut itself, the lining of it, has so many receptors, like over a thousand receptors to tell your body how to act and what to crave. And in the American diet alone, you're going to have parasites. So it's super important to have the cleanses, it's super important to alter all the time.
SPEAKER_03You see the gas stations, the speedways I've been eating at. Yeah, I got tons of parasites. Don't worry. I think my immune system is like locked up for life. I'm not worried about anything that could come my way. I was eating speedway chili dogs. I used to drive a roofing shingle truck, so parasites are nothing new to me.
SPEAKER_01I did pest control for a long time, so I lived off there.
SPEAKER_03You go.
SPEAKER_01I lived off the speedway points. And two for a buck, man.
SPEAKER_03Back in the day. I don't recommend that for an extended period of time either. And I'm sure it probably shaved a couple days off my life at the end, but hey, it is what it is.
SPEAKER_01So your body, to be honest, the human body can do some incredible things. Like, like this guy, obviously, 35,000 Big Macs.
SPEAKER_03If he were to stop and he would die tomorrow, or he'd go into convulsions. Or like dude, I don't even know what would happen.
SPEAKER_01But hey, what if he went vegan? You know what I'm saying? And then he could probably like have like a another like whole different type of like blow up, you know? Yeah, like 35,000.
SPEAKER_03He went from Big Macs to vegan, his toilet would be blowing up. But that I mean, can you even imagine? Like, what would you do? Your body would go into shock, literally.
SPEAKER_01Like, yeah, I mean, it's like I mean, think about all the preservatives in there, it's like shooting up, like it is, and then that dopamine is just big dicks are cracked, yeah.
SPEAKER_03They're different, that looks like a crackhead too. So I'm I'm all about that.
SPEAKER_01And he has a certain metabolism. I I he's he's still thin, but I don't I don't believe that hell hair is real. I I do agree with you.
SPEAKER_03Like, I feel like that hair has definitely got some kind of preservatives from the hamburger that's gone through his skull over time, and it's like, dude, you're gonna look majestic forever, yeah, and you're just gonna be known as the hamburger guy. So that would suck to be known as the guy that eats Big Max every day, but he seems proud of it, and hey, that's all that really matters. Don't worry about what people like me think, sir. I mean, you're a hero, you're everybody at McDonald's knows who you are, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_01It's kind of weird. He only has like 1200 followers on Instagram, so he's not that famous.
SPEAKER_03But I think that once you start following him, you get creeped out, and it's like, bro, I don't want this on my follows, I don't want people looking and seeing that I'm following this dude because he's a little bit strange, but that's a lot of that's a lot of burgers. Yeah, I couldn't do it. I've eaten one Big Mac in my life, and that's all it took. So this dude definitely has taken my my share, and I'm thankful for that because I didn't have to do it, and you know, I was when you joined this podcast an hour ago. Did you think we'd be talking about a dude eating Big Macs 35,000 times over the last 70 years? And all my podcasts is all it all reverts in the in like the circle of health and music, and everything just kind of yeah, it just kind of works out the way that it does, and I feel like the conversation has been flowing very well. We just haven't hit on the same topic twice, it's been great.
SPEAKER_01Um, I just don't think I'd ever think about looking at Don's Instagram though. That's that's as far as I ever got.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'd I definitely want to be blocked off of that. So he's he's got his niche in life, and when he dies, I guarantee there's gonna be a statue at some McDonald's somewhere, like every single one. This dude ate here since 1976, every freaking day. Like, yeah, there's charm to that, but it's also kind of weird.
SPEAKER_01But who the hell is he secure?
SPEAKER_03I exactly like what are you gonna chase, bro? Maybe that's why he's skinny, maybe he was getting picked on the whole time. People are like, Whatever, Maw cop, what are you gonna do? Eat another hamburger, skinny dude. And maybe that guy's like the ultimate badass, and and like I see him punching somebody, his hair doesn't move at all, his little glasses he's got on. That's all painted. Yeah, poor guy. Anyways, check this out. We're 53 minutes into our podcast. I told you we're gonna we were gonna shoot for an hour here. So I got uh I got one thing I need to do to end the episode, but before I do that, Jamar, I want to thank you, number one, for taking the time to be here. This has been a hell of a fun time for me. I hope you've enjoyed your time on keeping it real.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03Open invitation. Anytime you ever want to come back, you're always welcome. I'm all about a fellow Midwesterner, a Hoosier, and a Buckeye. We can definitely get along. Yes, we can. We're not Wolverines, at least. And um, before we call it a day, before I I shock you and give you my most amazing software presentation, I want to ask you a couple minutes to go. What's uh what's one wise word of wisdom that you'd like to give to our crowd here? I always like to tell people this is going to see millions of sets of eyes over the next unfortunately two or three hundred years. We won't be around when a million people see it, probably. But my goal is to take down Joe Rogan. And when I take down Joe Rogan, millions of people are gonna have to watch. So yeah, no pressure, my friend, but millions of people need some words of wisdom from you. Now is your opportunity to wow the world with your knowledge.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and Chuck, thank you so much for the platform. Uh, keeping it real is definitely a platform I would love to come back, especially when we if you ever want to talk about aliens and what's out there and some.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yes, I love that.
SPEAKER_01Let's take out Joe Rogan for sure. We can get real the theology, like really, really deep on some stuff. But people, thank you guys so much for giving me the space. Keeping it real has been a wonderful place for me to be able to rant and talk my head off and talk and talk your ears off. But words are wristm. I heard it before earlier in the podcast. Control what you can control every day, every hour, there's going to be something uncomfortable. Something is gonna hit you with just like ah, you know, just a big side. But understanding what you can control is what's gonna make things that are uncomfortable comfortable. And you can just keep it pushing. Also, if you can control what you can control, more people are gonna look at you as a solid person than anything else, right? You know, don't be uh a person that talks down on people, really control what you can control and talk to people like you want to be talked to. It's like the golden rule we all learned, right? Like I still carry all those teachings, at least from the ones I can remember, but those are the ones that stuck with me. Um be on the lookout. Jamar Green, J-A-R-M-A-R green, like the color, and B-O-K-Bullet X on my Instagram. I've got a sway of different projects that are coming out. I have one trio heroes that is me, my cousin Sophesto, and my boy Chris Burns that we I talked about earlier. We got a project coming out. I got another project coming out called Relax R-E semicolon L A X, like replying to an email or repeating, and then LAX, like we just landed in LA, right? Um, that's a five-song uh EP that I'm very happy. My solo EP, and I can't wait to get that out. It's already done. I just need to release it and get the package all together. And then I have one more project that's going to be on the horizon of that. It's called Health. And it talks about why we're getting overcharged for berries, apples, and bananas. You know, it hits them right on the head. Like, why does this label have 13 ingredients and I'm being sold it for overpriced and it's being made over seas for nickel? And it has a bunch of preservatives and it's killing you from within. It's it's horrible. And these are the projects you can be on the lookout for Jamar Green. Always connect with me. If you're looking to lose one pound or a hundred pounds, connect with me. We can do this together. It's so easy once you think about the basis of what a human is. And man, I'm here to really spread that holistic bone. And I'm really here to spread the holistic teaching to people and really give them the space to really want to be able to do the same. And yeah, bro, that's that's what I have for right now. And I love the space once again. Keep it real. And Joe, thank you so much for letting me talk to your girl.
SPEAKER_03Oh, absolutely. It's been a pleasure. Before we bid adieu to the fans, they all know what's up next. I gotta clear it up just a bit. I got a software guy here now. So, ladies and gentlemen, you know, I'd love to end my show with immense gratitude to my sponsors at Roofer. That's R O O F R Roofer.com. And Jamar, let me tell you a little bit about Roofer real quick, my friend. You're a professional software salesman, so you can critique this pitch. Roofer is your all-inclusive platform for roofing company owners that basically takes care of every single task in your company for you in one nice little package. Roofer is a CRM, a measurement tool, a payment center. We literally take our customers from an initial estimate all the way through the process, and then we send them email reminders for years to come that they need to uh get their maintenance done through Rio Blanco roofing and whatever else they need. And Roofer has been my sponsor for four years now, Jamar. I love everything about those guys, they treat me so well. It's the best software program in the world. If you ever know any roofers, which there are tons of them in Indy, ask them y'all using Roofer or what? And if they say no, don't use them. And most of them are my friends. So when I say that, I say it with love. But if they're not using Roofer, ask them what the hell is wrong with you? Don't you listen to Chuck on keeping it real? And half the roofers in Indianapolis in Indianapolis have been on my podcast, so they'll know what's up. So that's a that's pretty much it for Roofer. Thank you guys for that. I got one last thing, which is the ultimate worst tagline in the history of the podcasting world. And y'all know I'm corny because I say this every week. Um, Jamar, when this show is done, after I hit this uh final thing, it's gonna play an ad for my sponsor. Stick around, you and I will finish our conf or conversation on the back end. But like I say every week, ladies and gentlemen, it's corny as I'll get out, but it's me. Keep on keeping it real. We'll see you guys next week. Check this out from my sponsor. I found Roofer online about seven years ago. Used it one time, and it's been the only thing I've used ever since. It's basically a program that makes your life a lot easier to measuring roofs, putting together proposals, things of that nature. Roofer fulfills every need that we have. Our homeowners are always impressed by the presentation. They're able to kind of look at things differently and learn at their own pace. They sign the documentation online. It's the number one CRM in the industry. Everything that you can get with Roofer is gonna help your business grow. I think that y'all should do it for sure.